Sunday, October 05, 2008

Rip-Off or Homage?

Recently, in an article on A Photo Editor, a lively discussion ensued when APE updated with something he called, Seen it Before vs Completely Original. It wasn't that APE's blogmeister, Rob Haggart, was sharing his personal views on the subject. Instead, he let quotes from two, separate, blog sources do his talking for him.

The second quote Haggart posted revealed that notable and celebrated photographer, Platon, had recently hooked up with The New Yorker as a staff photographer. That's fairly feakin' prestigious! (Not that, as a photographer, Platon is unaccustomed to prestige and accolades and all that good stuff.)

In APE's comment section, the first reader in the batter box mentioned that Platon was once an assistant to fashion and portrait uber-shooter, Richard Avedon. (How cool is that?)

A bit further down in the comments, someone wrote the following, referencing the comment about Platon making his bones at the feet of a true, photo icon like Avedon.

I see the first comment being a statement of exasperation on the accessibility of technique (Strobist, lighting seminar crowd) and inexpensive gear creating a vast number of rip off “artists” who figure out an innovators methods and use them with no consideration of what the (original or ripped off) image is communicating. They just “like the light” and don’t want to spend the time to come up with their own method of communicating through images. These are the same weekend (micro stock) warriors who are diminishing the quantity of “great” photography we see and replacing it with our current crowd sourced over saturated market. The result: Someone makes a great image. Another someone sees and dissects it. Two weeks later everybody with two strobes on Flickr has a set in that “new hot style”. So some give up, and stop looking for exceptional work, or stop taking the time to get upset with plagiarism.

As you've probably already guessed, that second commenter's words got me to thinking.

When people reverse-engineer a photo, regardless if it was shot by a celebrated pro or a weekend warrior, are they ripping off the source or are they paying homage to that shooter?

Popular site, Strobist, runs reverse-engineer-the-lighting posts often enough. Strobist is, essentially, a learning site mostly targeting hobbyists and, more specifically, those hobbyists wishing to learn how to light like pros but using small, inexpensive flashes and DIY gear and gadgets.

When people use those dissection and reverse-engineering skills they learn on sites like Strobist, or when they learn to shoot just like someone leading a workshop or seminar, are they then, later on, merely guilty of engaging in imitation is the sincerest form flattery violations or are they actually committing some form of artistic plagiarism? (i.e., when the images they produce look remarkably like the originals they've RE'd or that they shot in the (almost exact) style of a workshop instructor... sometimes with the same model, pose, etc.)

I'm just saying out loud here, folks. I don't really have the answer.

But here's what I do think: I think, as that guy who wrote that APE comment I quoted seems to think, those photographers whose goals are all about becoming great imitators, i.e., becoming just good enough to semi-convincingly imitate someone else's work, do not really pose threats to an original shooter's reputation, work, or his or her livelihood. And here's why: People can almost always spot the difference between an innovator's image and an imitator's image.

As that second commenter seemed to be saying, imitators are merely imitating and their work will almost always be lacking something. IMO, it won't just be lacking the ability to communicate with images, as the commenter mentioned, but it will be lacking something more important and something more ethereal. It will be lacking soul.

Personally, I believe people can spot soul in a photograph. (As well as a lack of it.) Viewers might not consciously see the soul in a photo but they see it nonetheless. They might laud the imitator's work for its lighting, its composition, its kick-ass post-processing, but they won't be moved by it. Soul is one of those things that can't be reverse-engineered. In fact, soul can't be engineered at all. It comes, magically, from the artist's and craftsman's own soul. You can convince yourself you've imitated the soul in another's work but there will always be some doubt nagging at you each time you look at your endeavor. Nope. You cannot RE soul. You cannot create it, leastwise, you cannot create soul in something that is not your own. Your own, that is, in most ways... in the important ways.

The pretty girl at the top is Jennifer from a couple of months ago. (As always, click to enlarge.) We were shooting in an impound garage: A dirty, greasy place where they store towed cars for varying reasons. I lit Jennifer with three lights: a main placed slightly camera-right and modified with a large Octodome plus two, highlighting, accent-lights, modified with small shoot-thrus, placed behind her, on either side of her, and pointed at her. Canon 5D, 28-135 IS USM, ISO 100, F/8 @ 1/60. (Slower than usual shutter to let a bit of the ambient seep in.)

P.S. As you may have noticed, I've slightly modified the blog's BG color from black to a dark grey. We'll see how that goes for a while.

10 comments:

steve prue said...

aww..thx for the kind words jimmy. that made my day.

oo! I love gianna - she was a doll at exxxpo.

coffee on me when i am in town later this month?

re: strobist - i like the idea, but i swear people who shoot a lot of strobist style shots start to be convinced that a 100watt speedlight and a 42" umbrella is the same as a 1200 watt pack and head system with full sized softboxes and beauty dishes.

strobist style set-ups are tools to be used when you need them, but as an answer to every lighting problem.

Anonymous said...

A professor once told me that its okay to copy somebody elses style (whatever medium that may be) when you are learning... take bits of everything, find out what works, and ultimately add your own style.

Anonymous said...

Grey is ok, but black works at all the major photo sites I visit, e.g., dpreview, luminous-landscape.

The rip off whining is like complaining about the songs on American Idol. Some imitation is laughable, some is pretty good, and once in a while somebody masters the technique and nails it. A few of those go on to do some original stuff--_because_ the audience can tell.

The whiners are just showing a lack of confidence in their own talent or technique--or both.

BlankPhotog said...

The problem isn't copying style, reverse-engineering light, or taking lessons from composition. I can however see an ethical problem with marketing the image as completely original without any mention of the originator of the style, composition, or light. The knowledgeable photo critic will know the difference between something original and something derivative. But 99.999% of the photo viewing public won't. Maybe that's who you want to reach.

What we have now is hundreds of thousands of photographers who aren't making the distinction between marketable images and creative experimentation. It should make professional photographers nervous, if the products produced by the masses are perceived as just as good as the professionals' work. Nervous enough to dig deeper, to push their work to new heights, that is. Or to market their works more effectively.

Anonymous said...

@Jimmy: I think the main problem of strobist approach in the discussion forums and the pool is that pretty much people have favored imitation as a way to impress rather than exploring multiple ways to express what they want, if you notice the pool has become a "overpowering the sun plus dave hill" pool, variety has been lost sadly. And there doesn't seem to be any interest to take originality and diversity back.

I agree with Steve why would you use one tool and limit your vision when there are so many neat toys to play with? Kino flo, tungsten scenic lighting, high powered pack and heads, monolights, octaboxes, softboxes, spot attachments, grids, beauty dishes, etc. the beauty of photography is the freedom to choose from a large selection of tools the ones you need to get the feel you are after and the image you have in your head.

So far the strobist mindset is like you were only able to buy red gummy bears and nothing else :(, I think the strobist approach is great but there isn't enough emphasis on the "ok your hot shoe strobes aren't a definitive answer.. go play with other toys too!"

In general people think they can suck success by copying the style of another photographer, but those who are the ones presenting an original approach are the ones being called to do photoshoots not the copycats.

The photo is drop dead gorgeous congrats to you and Gianna!! I love it a whole lot :D

My best wishes
Eduar

Anonymous said...

When I'm copying something (if I ever can do it correctly) it has nothing to do on making an homage or ripping off the original.
I see it as learning.
I want to be able to copy that style, and in the process learn new things by reverse engineering it. Therefore not only learning that technique or lighting setup but also having new tools in my belt, using bits and pieces of what I learned to mix or make something "new"

Lin said...

When people reverse-engineer a photo, regardless if it was shot by a celebrated pro or a weekend warrior, are they ripping off the source or are they paying homage to that shooter?

Dress it up as much as you like, but intentional copying of copyrighted photos is still plagiarism. It's a form of stealing, and far too widespread in modern photography thanks to the internet.

Anonymous said...

It's not a new phenomenon. People outside the field of photography have commented on it long ago:

Good artists copy. Great artists steal. - Pablo Picasso

That is essentially what T.S Eliot said in 1920 - "Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal."

Picasso had another interesting idea on copying: "Success is dangerous. One begins to copy oneself, and to copy oneself is more dangerous than to copy others. It leads to sterility."

MauiPhoto said...

Dumb question - the rim lighting with the shoot-thru umbrellas - do you ever have a problem with lens flare from them? Just curious 'cause I haven't seen you mention using any gobos or flags whenever you share your lighting info with us.

jimmyd said...

MacGyver-- Not a dumb question. I have to keep a close watch out for flares as they are a very real possibility and, as a rule, i don't use gobos or flags to insure against them.